Fox News: ‘Bigger than Snowden’: Massive leak sends shockwaves through Pentagon

Former House Intel Committee Chair Mike Rogers weighs in after officials warned the intelligence leak is ‘bigger than Snowden.’ #FoxNews

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COMMITTEE CHAIRMAN MIKE ROGERS IS HERE WITH REACTION. WE BEGIN WITH JENNIFER GRIFFIN LIVE AT THE PENTAGON THIS MORNING. GOOD MORNING. >> GOOD MORNING, DANA. THE REVELATIONS HAVE SENT SHOCK WAVES THROUGH THE PENTAGON AND NATIONAL SECURITY ESTABLISHMENT. SOURCES TELL ME COULD BE WORSE THAN THE EDWARD SNOWDEN LEAK BECAUSE OF THE REALTIME EFFECT

ON ALLIES, THEIR TRUST AND THE WAR IN UKRAINE. FOX NEWS AGREED ALONG WITH OTHER NEWS ORGANIZATIONS NOT TO PUBLISH THE LEAKED HIGHLY CLASSIFIED DOCUMENTS WHICH WERE DISCOVERED LAST WEEK. DETAILS ABOUT THE SCOPE AND SCALE OF THE LEAK REMAIN SPARSE. >> WE DON’T KNOW WHO IS RESPONSIBLE FOR THIS AND WE

DON’T KNOW IF THEY HAVE MORE THAT THEY INTEND TO POST. SO WE’RE WATCHING THIS AND MONITORING IT AS BEST WE CAN. BUT THE TRUTH AND HONEST ANSWER TO YOUR QUESTION IS WE DON’T KNOW. IS THAT A MATTER OF CONCERN TO US? YOU’RE DARN RIGHT IT IS. >> SO FAR THERE ARE 53 DOCUMENTS

THAT HAVE BEEN POSTED. MOST APPEAR TO HAVE COME FROM A BRIEFING BOOK PREPARED DAILY FOR THE JOINT CHIEFS AND U.S. COMMANDERS OVERSEAS. MANY OF THE DOCUMENTS CAME FROM MARCH 1ST BUT IT IS NOT CLEAR ALL THE DOCUMENTS CAME FROM THE SAME BRIEFING BOOK. THE FIRST IMAGES APPEARED ON A

GAMING WEBSITE USED BY GAMERS CALLED DISCORD. THE IMAGES, WHICH INCLUDED FOLDED PAPERS WERE HASTELY PHOTOGRAPHED WITH ITEMS SUCH AS GORILLA GLUE IN THE BACKGROUND AND MAGAZINE THAT SHOWS RIFLE SCOPES ON THE COVER. RIGHT NOW I’M TOLD IT DOES NOT LOOK LIKE A CYBERHACK. IT LOOKS LIKE THERE WAS A HUMAN INVOLVED SUGGESTING A

SNOWDEN-LIKE FIGURE OR MOLE RATHER THAN A SIGNALS INTERCEPT. THE LEAK WILL HAVE BROAD RANGING IMPACT ON ALLIES WHO DEEPEST SECRETS ARE REVEALED. ONE OF THE MORE DAMAGING DOCUMENTS INVOLVES EGYPT WHICH HAS RECEIVED MILITARY AID SINCE 1978. REPORTING SUGGESTS THE PRESIDENT OF EGYPT PLANS TO SECRETLY SHIP 40,000 ROCKETS TO RUSSIA FOR USE

IN UKRAINE. THE DOCUMENTS SHOW REALTIME INTELLIGENCE ABOUT THE WAR IN UKRAINE THAT MAY AFFECT THE UPCOMING SPRING OFFENSIVE. FOR INSTANCE, THE PENTAGON BELIEVES THE UKRAINIANS WILL RUN OUT OF AIR DEFENSE MISSILES BY MID MAY. THE LEAK CREATES TREMENDOUS DISTRUST AMONG ALLIES, SOMETHING THAT HELPS BOTH RUSSIA AND CHINA. ONE INTERESTING POINT IS THAT

MOST PENTAGON OFFICIALS RECEIVE THIS DAILY BRIEF ON A CLASSIFIED IPAD AND NEED PERMISSION TO PRINT IT. SUGGESTING THE SOURCE OF THE LEAK MAY COME FROM OUTSIDE THE PENTAGON, DANA. >> Dana: TROUBLING. THANK YOU SO MUCH. >> Bill: THANKS ON THAT REPORTER. MIKE ROGERS FORMER HOUSE INTEL COMMITTEE CHAIR DURING THE

SNOWDEN AFFAIR IS HERE. GOOD TO HAVE YOU ON TO GET YOUR INSIGHT. YOU CAN READ THIS STORY SIX DIFFERENT WAYS. HOW DO YOU READ IT RIGHT NOW? >> WELL, THE IMMEDIACY OF THE DAMAGE OF THIS LEAK IS WHAT I THINK HAS PEOPLE CONCERNED. THE SNOWDEN LEAK, HE TOOK LITERALLY MILLIONS OF PAGES,

DOWNLOADED THEM THAT HE CLEARLY HADN’T READ AND RAN OFF TO RUSSIA. IN THIS PARTICULAR CASE THESE WERE VERY IMMEDIATE ABOUT AN ONGOING ISSUE. THAT’S WHAT HAS CERTAINLY THE PENTAGON FOLKS UPSET AND CONCERNED. I WILL TELL YOU THIS IS JUST ANOTHER EXAMPLE OF WHY YOU HAVE TO GET EVERYTHING ELSE RIGHT

LEADING UP TO ALL OF THIS, INCLUDING WHEN THE RUSSIANS DOWN A U.A.V. IN INTERNATIONAL AIRSPACE AND NOT DEAL WITH IT. WHEN THIS HAPPENS IT SHOWS THE REST OF THE WORLD I DON’T THINK THESE FOLKS KNOW EXACTLY WHAT THE HELL THEY’RE DOING. >> Dana: TELL ME YOUR THOUGHTS ON EGYPT, FOR EXAMPLE.

WITH FRIENDS LIKE THESE, RIGHT? WE GIVE THEM A LOT OF AID AND TO FIND OUT THAT THEY WERE ACTUALLY THINKING OF WORKING WITH THE RUSSIANS IN ORDER TO HELP THEM IN THE WAR AGAINST UKRAINE. >> SO THE ONE THING I WOULD BE CAUTIOUS, WE DON’T KNOW IF IT WAS A CONVERSATION THE RUSSIANS

INITIATED AND THE EGYPTIAN WERE AT LEAST ENTERTAINING. WE DON’T KNOW THAT. I DON’T WANT TO SLAM THE EGYPTIANS JUST YET. WHAT I WILL TELL YOU IS 82% OF THEIR GRAIN, I KNEW THIS GOING INTO LAST YEAR, THEY WERE HAVING HUGE ISSUES ABOUT FOOD SHORTAGES THEY THOUGHT WOULD CREATE RIOTS

IN THE STREETS OF EGYPT BECAUSE SO MUCH GRAIN CAME THROUGH UKRAINE. REMEMBER, WHEN THE RUSSIANS BLOCKADED THE GRAIN SHIPMENTS, IT CAUSED A HUGE PROBLEM FOR EGYPT. WOULDN’T SURPRISE ME AND AGAIN THIS IS MY SPECULATION, KNOWING WHAT I USED TO KNOW AND WHAT I KNOW TODAY, THAT THE RUSSIANS MAY HAVE BEEN PUTTING PRESSURE

SAYING IF YOU DON’T WANT RIOTS IN THE STREETS YOU CAN HELP US OUT AND WE’LL LET THE GRAIN SHIPMENTS GO. IT’S A COMPLICATED STORY AND SHOWS WHY THE UNITED STATES HAS TO BE RIGHT MORE OFTEN THAN IT IS WRONG ON INTERNATIONAL ENGAGEMENT. >> Bill: TRY AND TIE THIS THREAD TOGETHER.

YOU CAN READ DEEPLY IN THE FIRST QUESTION A MOMENT AGO, EGYPT UP TO $2 BILLION A YEAR FOR DECADES. UAE IS HOSTING IRAN, AN ISSUE. THEY ARE DATED IN FEBRUARY, WHICH SOME SUGGEST THAT IT’S OUTDATED INFORMATION NOW. THERE ARE RUSSIAN MILITARY BLOGGERS THAT POINT OUT MISSPELLINGS AND THEY ARE ONLINE

SAYING IT’S A MASSIVE DISINFORMATION CAMPAIGN AGAINST MOSCOW AND THE WAR. CAN YOU MAKE HEADS OR TAILS OF THAT? >> SO LET’S BREAK THIS UP FOR A MINUTE. IF YOU ARE — LET’S GO TO WHERE THE INTELLIGENT SPY VERSUS SPY STUFF. IF YOU HAD INFORMATION YOU WANTED TO COME OUT TO HURT THE

UNITED STATES, THIS WOULD CERTAINLY DO THAT. IF YOU WANTED TO PROTECT THE PERSON WHO IS LIKELY COPYING THIS MATERIAL AND GETTING IT TO IN THIS GAMING WEBSITE — BY THE WAY TERRORISTS USED TO USE THESE GAMING WEBSITES OF SORTS IN THE PAST TO MANY COULD UNINDICATE CLASSIFIED MESSAGES ABOUT OPERATIONS. THAT’S NOT NEW.

I WOULDN’T SAY IT WAS JUST FUN AND GAMES. IT WAS LIKELY A WAY TO GET THAT INFORMATION IN THE HANDS OF COUNTER INTELLIGENCE AGENTS OR AGENTS OF EITHER MOSCOW OR OTHER PLACES. AND SO WHAT I THINK THIS ALL COULD BE IS A KERFUFFLE BY THE RUSSIANS TO TRY TO OB FILES

INDICATE HOW THEY GOT IT. THERE WILL BE A MAN OR WOMAN HUNT IN THIS PARTICULAR CASE GOING ON RIGHT NOW IN THE PENTAGON OR OTHER INTELLIGENCE AGENCIES AND IF YOU WANT TO PROTECT THAT SOURCE AS A HANDLER, YOU ARE TRYING TO CREATE AS MUCH CONFUSION AS YOU CAN ABOUT THE ORIGIN OF THAT

MATERIAL. >> Dana: SO YOU WERE THE CHAIRMAN OF THE INTEL COMMITTEE WHEN THE EDWARD SNOWDEN DOCUMENTS WERE LEAKED. WHAT IS YOUR CONFIDENCE LEVEL OF THE PENTAGON BEING ABLE TO TRACK DOWN HOW THESE DOCUMENTS WERE LEAKED IN THE FIRST PLACE? >> IT WILL BE DIFFICULT. THE ONLY GOOD NEWS IS I WOULD —

IF I WERE KING FOR A DAY THERE I WOULD START WITH THE DOCUMENTS THAT HAVE THE FEWEST PEOPLE’S EYES ON THEM AND START THERE BECAUSE YOU CAN NARROW THAT SEARCH PRETTY RADICALLY. THE PROBLEM WITH THESE THINGS IS WE’VE RAMPED UP SO MANY PEOPLE GETTING INTELLIGENCE AND INTELLIGENCE SHARING AND THEY

DID IT FOR A REASON AFTER 9/11 EVERYBODY SAID NOBODY KNEW CERTAIN THINGS AND SHARE MORE. THIS MAY BE THE RESULT OF SHARING MORE. THE POOL OF PEOPLE GETS BIGGER AND BIGGER. THAT’S WHAT WILL BE THE CHALLENGE FOR THEM. AND I THINK WHAT THEY ARE GOING TO HAVE TO DO IS AGAIN ASSIGN

TEAMS ON SENTTIVE DOCUMENTS AND TEAMS ON THE REST HOPING THEY CAN COME UP WITH INFORMATION THAT WILL LEAD THEM TO THE LEAKER. HERE IS THE SCARY PART. THAT LEAKER HAS MORE INFORMATION. IT’S ON AN ELECTRONIC MEDIUM TODAY. THAT PERSON IS ALSO LIKELY SITTING ON A BUNCH MORE THAN JUST THIS.

THIS IS JUST THE PIECE THAT YOU CAUGHT. THIS PERSON ISN’T KNEW TO THIS. THESE MESSAGES SOUNDS LIKE HAVE BEEN GOING BACK A WHILE. U.S. INTELLIGENCE DIDN’T CATCH IT UNTIL RECENTLY. >> Bill: A GREAT GUEST.

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