Boris Bondarev was a Russian diplomat for 20 years and resigned in protest over Putin’s invasion of Ukraine. Bondarev joins CNN’s Kate Bouldan to discuss Putin’s declaration that he is suspending Russia’s participation in the New START nuclear arms reduction treaty. #CNN #News
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WEAPONS IT NEEDS, THE SOONER AN END CAN COME TO THE WAR. >>> “OUTFRONT” NOW, HE WAS A RUSSIAN DIPLOMAT FOR 20 YEARS AND RESIGNED IN PROTEST OVER PUTIN’S INVASION OF UKRAINE. BORIS SAYING TODAY THAT HE’S SUSPENDING THIS NUCLEAR ARMS CONTROL TREATY WITH THE UNITED STATES.
WHY DO YOU THINK HE CHOSE TO DO THIS NOW? >> UM, WELL, I THINK IT’S ANOTHER WAY OF THIS NUCLEAR SABER-RATTLING WHICH HE HAS BEEN DOING SINCE THE BEGINNING OF THIS WAR. I THINK MAYBE HE FINDS THAT HIS USUAL THREATS OF USING NUCLEAR
WEAPONS ARE NO LONGER TREATED WITH THIS FEAR AND ANXIETY, AS THEY USED TO BE. SO HE TRIED TO CHOOSE ANOTHER WAY TO FRIGHTEN THE WESTERN PUBLIC, FIRST OF ALL. AND NOW HE TRIES TO UNDERMINE THE BASIC INTERNATIONAL LAW IN REGARD OF NUCLEAR WEAPONS.
>> DO YOU SEE IT AS AN EMPTY THREAT? OR DO YOU SEE WITH THIS ANNOUNCEMENT THAT HE IS ACTUALLY ANY CLOSER TO USING A TACTICAL NUCLEAR WEAPON HERE? >> ACTUALLY, IT DOESN’T SAY ANYTHING ABOUT WHETHER HE GETS ANY CLOSER TO USING NUCLEAR WEAPONS.
BUT IT IS VERY, VERY BAD FOR THE FUTURE OF ARMS CONTROL. BECAUSE WITH THIS MOVE, ANY OTHER DOCUMENT WHICH SHOULD REPLACE THE ONE THROUGH 2026 HAS BECOME TOTALLY UNREALIZABLE. >> PUTIN CONTINUED TO FALSELY CLAIM THAT HE IS THE ONE WHO HAS TRIED TO RESOLVE THIS CONFLICT
WITH UKRAINE PEACEFULLY, BUT HE WAS THE ONE THAT WAS PUSHED INTO WAR. ALSO SPEAKING ONCE AGAIN AS IF THE RUSSIAN MILITARY WAS WINNING AND THAT THE CRATERING RUSSIAN ECONOMY WAS ACTUALLY STRONG. IN YOUR VIEW, DO YOU THINK HE ACTUALLY BELIEVES THIS? >> HARD TO SAY, OF COURSE.
BUT I THINK THERE IS SOME EXTENT THAT PUTIN MAY BELIEVE IN WHAT HE’S SAYING, ESPECIALLY ABOUT THE GOOD STATE OF THE ECONOMY, AND ALSO ABOUT HIS PROSPECTS. I THINK HE BELIEVES THAT HE CAN WIN THIS WAR, THAT HE IS WINNING THIS WAR, AND MAYBE IN THE NEAR
FUTURE, HE WILL SUCCEED IN PRESSING UKRAINE TO SOME KIND OF NEGOTIATIONS, TO NEGOTIATE PEACE ON PUTIN’S TERMS, OF COURSE. AND THEN HE WILL BE ABLE TO PRESENT HIMSELF TO POSE HIMSELF AS A WINNER, AS A GREAT LEADER. AND THEN HIS POLITICAL FUTURE WILL BE SECURED FOR SEVERAL YEARS.
SO I THINK THAT’S HOW HE SEES THE SITUATION. >> I DID WANT TO ASK YOU ABOUT HIS FUTURE. BECAUSE ONE THING THAT PUTIN DID ACKNOWLEDGE TODAY WITH A MOMENT OF SILENCE WAS ALL OF THE RUSSIAN SOLDIERS SO FAR WHO HAVE BEEN KILLED ON THE BATTLEFIELD IN UKRAINE.
NOW, THESE DEATHS HAVEN’T CAUSED HIM YET TO CHANGE COURSE. BUT AS THE WAR DRAGS ON AND MORE OF HIS SOLDIERS DIE, DOES IT EVENTUALLY HURT HIM, DO YOU THINK? >> I DON’T THINK IT WILL EVER HURT HIM PERSONALLY BECAUSE I THINK HE SEES ALL RUSSIAN
CITIZENS AS THE INSTRUMENTS TO DO WHATEVER HE WANTS, TO ACHIEVE HIS OWN GOALS. AND HIS OWN GOALS, THE GOALS THAT HE’S TRYING TO ACHIEVE, IS TO SECURE HIS EVERLASTING GRIP ON POWER IN RUSSIA, STATE PRESIDENT AND DICTATOR FOREVER. SO HE CAN SACRIFICE, YOU KNOW,
ANY NUMBER OF PEOPLE AS LONG AS THEY ARE WILLING TO BE SACRIFICED. AND THAT’S THE MAIN ISSUE, THE MAIN QUESTION, HOW LONG WESTERN SOCIETY WILL STAY TOLERANT TO ALL THESE CASUALTIES AND LOSSES. AND, UNFORTUNATELY TODAY WE SEE THAT IT IS STILL TOLERABLE.
IT CAN PUT UP WITH THIS, YEAH. >> BUT DO YOU THINK THAT IT COULD GET SO BAD, IT COULD GET TO A POINT THAT ALL OF THIS BLOODSHED, IF SEEN — IF TRULY UNDERSTOOD BY THE RUSSIAN PUBLIC THAT IT COULD CAUSE HIM TO LOSE POWER? >> WELL, YEAH.
I THINK IF THE RUSSIAN SOCIETY, MAJORITY OF RUSSIAN PEOPLE REALIZE THAT THIS WAR IS NOT WHAT THEY ARE TOLD IT IS, OF COURSE THEY WILL BE ANGERED. BUT WE ARE NOT AT THAT POINT YET. THE RUSSIAN PROPAGANDA IS VERY POWERFUL. AND THE MOST PEOPLE ARE NOT
DIRECTLY TOUCHED BY THIS WAR. SO, ESPECIALLY IN MAJOR CITIES, LIFE GOES ON AS IF NOTHING’S HAPPENING. SO THERE IS A BIG GAP BETWEEN THIS WAR IN UKRAINE AND PEOPLE IN RUSSIA. AND THIS GAP SEEMS TO BE VERY, VERY, VERY WIDE. SO, WE ARE NOT YET
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PUTIN IS A HUMAAAN RAT!!,,US ENGLISH R FAR FROM SCARED HA HA U AVIN A LAFF lf I PUT MY FINGERS ROUND YOUR NECK ID SNAP IT FK U PUTIN.AND ALL SCUM THAT FOLLOW HIM
I know what a treaty looks liie and i can say that much
PUTIN TORTURED UKRAINIANS FEMALE SOLDIERS 🔞🧒 TEEN'S
PUTIN TORTURED UKRAINIANS FEMALE SOLDIERS 🔞🧒 TEEN'S
Скоро мы всем устроим ядерную вечеринку, это будет весело, слава Горке и морке wasaaghh😂😂😂😂😂
I don't know but I'm a little tired of this war Pig having the entire Western World and everyone else by the balls enough is enough. Go ahead and push it and see what happens
The best way for the New Yorker to build nuclear shelter is to optimize the Subway system.
They must have Independent Electric Generator. preferably nuclear powered generator. Should also have alot of water wells and should also have food storages and plalenty of toilets and hospitals and schools. Use the subway system as refugee camp.
Cheers from Indonesia.
Hey you bondarev!! Its your moral and ethical obligation towards Ukraine to launch protests against russia at russian embassy's! ! ! Dont be indifferent or a cowerd! ! !
Biden is bringing WW3 to the world. What a great prez.
Russia needs hippies. Hate and war cannot win. Hate cannot overcome hate…only love can overcome hate
The tragedy of Humanity is many cannot understand that we are repeating History. Hitler tried & failed to conquer Europe. Now Putin is trying to make Russia great again. Despite all his propaganda & lies [ same as the Big Lie in USA where thousands of STUPID Americans still believe the election was stolen], STUPID Russian will support the Great Satan to make Russia POOR again.
I’m not in the slightest bit worried about putin going nuclear, on account of the fact this russian maggot is a wretched coward who would not risk nuclear war with NATO because this would place his life at mortal risk.
The book of revelation describes what these evil super rich are going to do to the world, describing them as the businessman, but the super rich oligarch leaders of nations who have become insane from the stolen wealth, will destroy the world. We are already going through the plagues famine and pestelince with economic collapse stage. The mark of the beast for the first time shows up in our era, 666$ on everything you buy, which unlike any other number, on price tags is the beasts mark because the reason for it it to decieve and lie to try to fool people out of their money dishonestly. Oh, it's under $100, it's only $99.99. The same demented evil minds that want to hurt innocent people by stealing their hard earned survival resources, will be also think people are as demented as they are and fall for that, as well as other advertising frauds, like not including tax in as advertised prices, price after rebate, unmentioned fees, etc. All nails in society's coffin. Evil will never win.
This is news I'm told 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
Hope yhis diplomat doesnt own a balcony.
Победителей не будет. Жаль правительство США этого не понимает. Жаль всех людей в случае ядерного конфликта. Байден играет с огнём, с очень страшным огнём
We will catch the bespectacled man and take him to the gulag …
who cares ? lets talk about how biden will give WORLD HEALTH ORGANZATION full control over usa ? who treaty in the 26 27 of feb 2023? or may 26 ?
Américains are too violent looking for wars everywhere instead of talking and negotiating. How that is civilized? Au contraire is being very backward.
Why you always looking for Ill wishes for others? Losing power? Isn’t Trump correct? Very negative people. Are these believers? I don’t know but seriously sick people
If this idiot was US citizen you all would be crying treason but it’s ok to parade others. Your values are seriously upside down if you really have any. Poutine is telling the truth and we are lying with propaganda to sell the unjustified aides to Ukraine.
CNN speaks talks like the Russian population has no idea what's going on in the world.. CNN talks about Russian propaganda the irony!!!
There is no difference between Hollywood and the CNN that is a fact!
Here are a couple other facts for you Russian economy is going up!! Russian rockets are unmatched in the world!! Russia is starting to win the war slowly but surely!! The new Russian army that will soon invade Ukraine is a completely different army a modern professional army!!
Fact is that Vladimir Putin is right, he did everything possible to avoid a war, the West with their banker Jewish elite want to put Russia under their thumb and control that country like they control the United States and the west…
Google EUROPA THE LAST BATTLE
Putin is a psychopath and a war criminal!
I hope this guy now alive
Не дайте Владу-Имплодеру разрушить сам дух и красоту России изнутри. Он потерял связь с реальностью🤷
"The Russian propaganda is very powerful" yes, because there are too many deliberately stupid and gullible people lapping it up like it's french vanilla ice cream
Russia is grotesque
Because the people in Russia don't suffer the war goes on. So let them suffer much more and getting angry.
Garbage
Putin is likely sick and getting weaker both physically and mentally.
Now with “Chair Force One” Biden in office, it’s going to get worse. What an idiot this guy is. All our tax money going to the Ukraine. Gotta launder it somewhere.
Like a child who wants a toy and threatens his mother that if he doesn't have a toy he will go to sleep and cry and scream Let mom embarrass others and mom will buy toys for herself (Dictators have brains like children)
Bidens administration members are publicly saying that Putin will be on trial for war crimes. This kind of rhetoric could spark war. The United States seems to be hell bent on regime change and that seems to be the reason Russia was baited into attacking Ukraine in the first place.
The West needs to stop pussyfooting around and give Ukraine everything it needs to defeat Russian forces …it’s like Bosnia all over again!
Sir I hope you where smart enough to go to a different county before doing this interview.
Will this be the next Russian accidental death? It's unhealthy to speak out about Putin.
Loyalty to Putin and Russia is just a free fall from a window…😂
Putin, you lost the war time to leave all of Ukraine.
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No the Russian people do not mind sending their sons to be killed for a crazy tzar
That’s the sick truth.
cnn don’t do this shit stop instigating an increase in war tensions how bout not stoking the fires for once. This will only lead to more bloodshed… and for what so you can get someone to watch your news? You are asking for a world war
It’s not about winning or loosing, it’s about right from wrong? I see tools arguing over who’s winning constantly!! That’s Completely irrelevant FREAKS!!! Enough talking get the butcher NOW!!
He was a Russian Diplomat for Ukraine
Executive orders" 'steady ',
Go Russia!